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Supercard DS ONE vs CycloDS Evolution Comparison

Started by PharaohsVizier, August 11, 2008, 11:21:18 PM

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PharaohsVizier

Lol thanks for the compliments.  Ummm I forgot to mention that changes are no longer being made to the classic (old) DSDatabase, and if you want to read the slight changes I made (I added the miscellaneous section, but I didn't really have time for photos and videos yet), the article is now placed here, being updated whenever.

http://dsdatabase.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=895&p=6086#p6086

Alfadir

#16
Well, i'm happy to see that you are continueing your work on this comparison.

I have something to suggest to add in your thread.

I have read too much times stupide arguments to try to explain the high price of the Cyclo DS Evolution all are false !

1 - cyclo DS evolution is also pruduce in china (cyclo is an european firm but the cyclo is made in china like all other linkers)
2 - cyclo don't have more memory than the DS One, look at their chipset to be sure of that :

to the left the cyclo DS Evolution,  to right the Supercard DS One.
Description of those chipset :
The cyclo DS evolution :
- Actel proAsic 3 -> 1Mbit of memory
- flash memory of 1Mbit (SST39VF010).
- flash memory of 16Mbit (MX25L1605) this component contain the OS of the cyclo (the EDGE don't have this component, the OS of the EDGE is stored on the TF card)
- 24Mhz quartz. (no memory it's a timer)
total memory : 18Mbit

The Supercard DS One :
- the component just at the right of the TF slot is replacing the Actel proAsic 3 A3P205 of the previous versions of the DS One (contain at least 1Mbit of memory but i will not count it because i don't have the real reference of this component)
- SST39VF040 32Mbit of flash memory.
- N16T1630C2B (NanoAmp solutions) 16Mbit of SRAM.
- Super-condensateur 3.3V 0.22F (it's in french i don't know the english for that ^^ i suppose something like super-condensator but i'm not sure  ;))
- 24Mhz quartz (no memory it's a timer).
total memory : 48 Mbit (without the memory of the component replacing the proAsic)

As you can see the DS One contain much more memoy than the Cyclo DS Evolution.

The pictures of the DS One chipset are from a SC DS One v3, a lot of other chipset are existing on past DS One (and not only for v1 and v2).
Supercard change the chipset very often.
If you want to see other DS One chipset look at this topic : http://supercard-france.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3573
But all those revisions are containing more memory than the Cyclo DS Evolution.

So stop to give this reasons to try to explain the price of the Cyclo.

Another thing, the DS One have a new box you can find
the chinese new box here : http://chn.supercard.cn/lab/009/009.htm
the world new box here : http://eng.supercard.cn/lab/007/007.htm

With this new box the price of the DS One is lower, official Supercard Price -> http://chn.supercard.cn/
29 $ USD for an eng DS One  (19,46 â,¬ (EUR))
168 CNY (Chine Yuan Renminbi) for the chinese DS One (24,55$ or 17,20â,¬)

PharaohsVizier

Ummmm wow looks impressive, don't understand much of it.  I can't seem to find the part where I make these claims....

Alfadir

#18
Quote from: PharaohsVizier on September 06, 2008, 07:19:31 PM
Ummmm wow looks impressive, don't understand much of it.
It's because of my frenchglish  ;) or because of the content of this thread ?

Quote from: PharaohsVizier on September 06, 2008, 07:19:31 PMI can't seem to find the part where I make these claims....
You can add a chipset part.

In this part you could also add :
Quote from: Alfadir on August 12, 2008, 10:27:34 AMThe clean mode :

Cyclo DS Evolution don't have any clean mode, if a recent game don't work you have to wait for an update of the firmware (the cyclo DS Team is really reactive but it's not a good point for this linker).
On Supercard DS One you only have to stop the patch mode and you are in clean mode, all the game work in this mode, of course you have to wait for an update to use the patch features (reset, cheats...) but the game work.
Thanks to his memory the DS One have a clean mode while the Cyclo DS Evolution don't have any clean mode.


Oh just a last thing (for this time ^^) you can speak about the website to find skins for the both linkers :

For Cyclo DS Evolution :
http://www.ndsthemes.com/title/cyclods

For Supercard DS One :
http://www.supercard-theme.sup.fr/ my website with all my skins (TELECHARGER means download)
http://forum.supercard.cn/forumdisplay.php?fid=5 english forum
http://bbs.supercard.cn/forumdisplay.php?fid=18 chinese forum
http://forum.supercard.fr/skins-supercard-os-ds-one-vf42.html french forum all threads starting with [skin] are containing a skin, more than 300 skins available on this forum.


P.S. : in 7. Miscellaneous
You have forgot to speak about the multiskin for DS One (function add in the OS3SP4 OS).
You can choose between 10 skins put in the directory skin (itself in the scshell directory).

P.P.S. : if you want more informations about DS One skinning system, look at those threads :
http://forum.supercard.fr/creer-ses-skins-pour-la-scds1-niveau-1-les-images-vt554.html
http://forum.supercard.fr/creer-ses-skins-pour-la-scds1-niveau-2-le-skin-ini-vt1404.html
http://forum.supercard.fr/creer-ses-skins-pour-la-scds1-niveau-4-les-conseils-vt1405.html
http://forum.supercard.fr/tuto-d-installation-skins-avec-l-os3sp4-et-les-suivants-vt7254.html
or ask me ^^.

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PharaohsVizier

Might get to it later, I've been quite busy lately.   :buck2:


Eon-Rider

Alright, I just got my own CycloDS (and to my dismay, DSi came out >_>). It is slightly better than SCDS1, I thought think it is worth the $20+.

SNK24

I dont understand what makes the Cyclo so expensive compared to DS ONE... The metallic box? :idiot2:

Maybe they are charging you for the website and forum support they have, compared to the few comfusing guides and not so useful forum SuperCard have Cyclo have a good one. I just had to translate and made guides in spanish for the basic and not so basic features in DS ONE, and that only to help some people. But anyway you can find help anywhere googling for it so dont worth the almost twice price of a DS ONE... Like someone said you can have a 4GB  card for that extra money.

What i dont like in the DS ONE is all these nonsense options in the top menu bar, almost all for use the SC lite or SC rumble but these slot 2 cards cost is bigger than the DS ONE as to buy just as accesory. Thats why I got the EZFlash 3in1 and use it with GBAExploader or GBAldr, Opera Browser and rumble games. You should have the option to disable all of these menues or have it in a start menu like the edge (i think that one has a start menu). Maybe all that stuff make it so slow. Anyway they didnt created a OS, just obtained the moonshell and used it so maybe that make the card cheaper but they should work on something better and faster.

I also edited the global.ini to have the files in the bottom screen, hide date bar and stuff like that but the guide I found here looks very interesting to cheat the OS and have a little more speed.