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[Banjojohn]

I have a friend who has just bought a shining new DS Lite. He asks me what to get to play backups of his games...

I have Supercard CF in mine, but obviosly that's not the proper choice anymore. He would like to get a cheap one, but still one with 100% combatibility and ease of use. Is it the Supercard DS One he should go for, or one of the older Slot 2-solutions??

Thanks in advance!

[kkan]

I have a friend who has just bought a shining new DS Lite. He asks me what to get to play backups of his games...

I have Supercard CF in mine, but obviosly that's not the proper choice anymore. He would like to get a cheap one, but still one with 100% combatibility and ease of use. Is it the Supercard DS One he should go for, or one of the older Slot 2-solutions??

Thanks in advance!

SLOT 1 is the way to go for a DS only solution (note you can still emulate old retro consoles on SLOT 1 only GBA is lost)

cheaper option usually too as you dont need a PASSKEY or SUPERKEY or mess with flashing your bios with FLASHME

recommended on this forum as best slot 1 cards are R4 (I have this one and no doubt the cheapest) which is also the same as an M3 which is also a great card and the SCDSONE these I personally would say are they top 3 cards out followed by the DS-X and others

Ask your friend what exactly do they want to do with their flash card and maby we can advise further  

[Hi]

There's nothing wrong with the slot-2 supercards. The SCSD is the same price as the scdsone provided your ds is flashed, and you can flash your friends ds for him right?

Adventages to the SCSD are the ability to use regular, very cheap SD cards, gba support which has slowdowns but still plays an awful lot of gba games, extra ram, the ability to run opra if you ever decide to get a slot-1 cart in the future, Support for homebrew such as snezziDS that won't work on slot-1 cards... is that enouph?

Disadvanteges include a bad interface, the need to flash your ds or spend extra money on a passcard/nopass (as already mentioned above), no clean rom support, no support for a few small games, no opera... and that's it.

Sure, I have a SCDSONE, but I also have an SCSD! I see no reason to just jump to a slot-1 card, slot-2's are good. After a lot of thought, I'd reccomend a slot-2 supercard, with the scsd being the slot-2 supercard in mind.

[saady87]

hmm, similar, this one is a quicky, R4DS or Supercard ds one, which is better?

[PharaohsVizier]

R4 if you want ease of use.

[meangreenie]

yeh because the r4 supports clean roms.. [sarcasm] and the scds1 doesn't [/sarcasm]

though i do agrree the r4 is superior when used with crap mem cards [though both perform to their best with Japanese made memory cards]... but otherwise SCDS1>R4 due to having more advanced features... real time cheats with no slowdown [exclusive] and real time book/guide support [exclusive]

[kkan]

hmm, similar, this one is a quicky, R4DS or Supercard ds one, which is better?

Both are equally good cards with similar features .. but R4 sells better as its usually CHEAPER  

[dai_uk]

I'll add my two penneth,

If you want DS and GBA support then go for a slot 1 (R4/M3 are free shipping on bamboogaming again) and get an EZ 3 in 1 Expansion pack, this will give you the best of both:

DS roms without patching
Ram pack and Rumble
GBA via apps for SCDSONE / R4 / M3 Simply with no slowdown but roms will need patching (SC SD needs GBA and NDS patching)

Wether you go for R4/M3 or SC DSOne will be down to cost, they both have their own benefits, the R4/M3 is cheaper but the SCDSOne is more tweakable and offers real time cheats (R4/M3 cheats aren't real time - YET).

I can't fault either card - but make sure you get a fast Micro SD card - as this is very important if you want 100% compatability

[Hi]

I'll add my two penneth,

If you want DS and GBA support then go for a slot 1 (R4/M3 are free shipping on bamboogaming again) and get an EZ 3 in 1 Expansion pack, this will give you the best of both

Here are some advantages to using a slot-2 SC instead. In most cases, I agree with you're opinion, as for the most part the advantages I'm about to list don't add up. However, under special circumstances (aka, what a certain person wants and how much money that person is willing to spend) it may be beneficial to get a slot-2 SC instead of a EZ 3 in 1 because... Well, here are the pros and cons to using a slot-2 SC instead of an EZ 3 in 1.

PROS
1. Extra memory. If you need more space to store movies, music, or games, normal SD cards and mini SD cards are wayyy cheaper than micro-sd cards. This advantage does not apply to the SC-lite. (this is also true with CF cards for the sccf but I don't really recommend the sccf it sticks out A LOT and the pins will eventually get a bit bent.)

2. Better support for certain games. If you don't have a great micro-sd, a few games like animal crossing will have slow-downs on the SCDSONE but not the a slot-2 supercard

3. Extra Homebrew support. A few of the older homebrew games/apps, such as snezziDS, will not work on slot-1 flashcarts. You'll need to use a slot-2 supercard to run them (an M3 will work too) I guess you could in theory run these homebrew games off the EZ 3 in 1, since it can become a stand-alone gba flash cart, but you'd have to hassle with the cart to get it to run in nds mode. A slot-2 SC is much easier.

CONS
1. Slowdowns in some gba games. Though I generally encourage people who complain about the SC's gba slowdowns to not think of how many games DON'T work and instead think of the majority of games that do, it should be considered. The supercard will experiance slow-downs in select gba games, and the EZ 3 in 1 will not.

2. Price. A SCSD, the cheapest slot-2 supercard, costs $30 more than a EZ 3 in 1, and that's not including an SD card

3. No rumble. A slot-2 supercard does not rumble (unless you buy an SCR, which does not run opera or do gba)

[dantheman]

1. Extra memory. If you need more space to store movies, music, or games, normal SD cards and mini SD cards are wayyy cheaper than micro-sd cards. This advantage does not apply to the SC-lite. (this is also true with CF cards for the sccf but I don't really recommend the sccf it sticks out A LOT and the pins will eventually get a bit bent.)

As I've found out, miniSD cards are actually quite expensive at retail price, even though you can sometimes get good deals occasionally.  If you want a form-fitting card for a Phat DS, you'd want miniSD, so the advantage isn't as much.

2. Better support for certain games. If you don't have a great micro-sd, a few games like animal crossing will have slow-downs on the SCDSONE but not the a slot-2 supercard

From my limited understanding, microSD cards by nature are faster than SD/miniSD will ever get.  For instance, apparently a response time less than 0.8 ms or so is recommended for Portrait of Ruin, while my miniSD card has at least a 6.0 ms response time.  I think CF carts are fast enough however.

3. Extra Homebrew support. A few of the older homebrew games/apps, such as snezziDS, will not work on slot-1 flashcarts. You'll need to use a slot-2 supercard to run them (an M3 will work too) I guess you could in theory run these homebrew games off the EZ 3 in 1, since it can become a stand-alone gba flash cart, but you'd have to hassle with the cart to get it to run in nds mode. A slot-2 SC is much easier.

You can flash *.ds.gba files to the NOR flash of the 3in1, and I've heard running SnezziDS works.  I'd imagine it is a bit more difficult to get running, but it is possible.

I'm not saying slot-2 Supercards are bad (I have one myself and love it), but the 3in1 isn't quite as lacking as you're making it out to be.  I respect you for making an honest con list however, as it shows that you are thinking of both sides of the situation.

That said, I agree that for playing GBA games a Supercard or M3 would be a good choice for sheer convenience (can hold more than one game at a time for instance), but for those who have slot-1 devices already, the 3in1 makes a good addition for a cheap price.

[kkan]

have to argue on the cost of MINI SD there dan on PLAY.COM in the uk with free delivery you can buy a 2gb sandisk MINI sd for £9.99 

SanDisk Mini SD 2GB

In stock.
Usually dispatched within 24 hours.
our price: £9.99 Delivered

RRP: £19.99 You save: £10.00 (50%)

[dantheman]

Like I said, you can find good deals sometimes.  But I went to my local stores around me and they wanted insane prices, in one case $40 for a 1 GB card, and $30 for a 512 MB card.