Mario Kart DS can brick your DS!!

machofairy · October 23, 2005, 04:04:44 PM

Taken from here:
http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=27988&pid=368982&st=0&#entry368982

Seems it bricks a DS with FLASHME, but of course you can recover. No mention if its ok with just superpass though.

Koji · October 23, 2005, 04:31:00 PM

Quote from: "machofairy"Taken from here:
http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=27988&pid=368982&st=0&#entry368982

Seems it bricks a DS with FLASHME, but of course you can recover. No mention if its ok with just superpass though.

Yes this is something we've been discussing a bit lately. It's very unlikely that nintendo would be intentionally bricking DSes, even if they are modified using flashme.

Either the game is writing to a part to the firmware that flashme is using (as was suggested) or the game tries to update the firmware on the DS, but because the information in the protected part of the firmware is different from what it SHOULD be in the original firmware it causes some sort of a problem.

Either way, we'll probably see a fixed firmware release sometime after super mario kart is released.

davhuit · October 23, 2005, 05:14:50 PM

Just have to use a no-flashed ds with superpass I think.

mat · October 23, 2005, 05:26:14 PM

This is really, REALLY bad news.

If this is intentional, it means this will be put in all future games. Meaning we'll all have to de-flash our DS's and have a bloody great passme stuck out the top.

They better make a flashme upgrade...

davhuit · October 23, 2005, 05:42:41 PM

I think a bit. Maybe they'll also flash the firmware of un-flashed ds to put the last firmware (last ds which don't work with superpass).

Anyway, I don't think it'll be on all games, just Nintendo ones (or maybe just on the games using Wifi (don't use it anyway), so Mario Kart is pretty useless alone (I better play the GC one lol).

Koji · October 23, 2005, 07:14:06 PM

Quote from: "mat"This is really, REALLY bad news.

If this is intentional, it means this will be put in all future games. Meaning we'll all have to de-flash our DS's and have a bloody great passme stuck out the top.

They better make a flashme upgrade...

I wouldn't worry too much. I'm sure Loopy will make a new version of flashme that will support all the new games.

Obviously the game can't just overwrite the current flashme every time it's different from the one on the cart. This is because there is a good chance that there will be ANOTHER new version of firmware released for a later game. They wouldn't allow the game to flash an older firmware over the newer one, so all Loopy and the flashme crew have to do is make sure the next version of flashme supports everything in the new firmware AND make sure that it always appears to be a "newer" version. Then games won't try to overwrite it.

axis2k · October 23, 2005, 09:23:01 PM

I'd imagine that nintendo have little real intention of bricking DSes with commercial releases, but may well have no problems doing it with review copies and suchlike. I'd imagine the last thing Nintendo would want would be Mario Kart on the net before it's on the shelves, and would probably be willing to incorporate malicious code in review copies and beta's, to do their best to prevent it.

PoTaToE · October 24, 2005, 06:00:06 AM

Quote from: "axis2k"I'd imagine that nintendo have little real intention of bricking DSes with commercial releases, but may well have no problems doing it with review copies and suchlike. I'd imagine the last thing Nintendo would want would be Mario Kart on the net before it's on the shelves, and would probably be willing to incorporate malicious code in review copies and beta's, to do their best to prevent it.

interesting point of view... maybe?

BLYND · October 24, 2005, 06:14:43 AM

Well this is annoying – I was going to buy Mariokart- (I always buy the very best games –to support the industry) - Think I’ll give it a miss now..

Koji · October 24, 2005, 08:44:27 AM

Quote from: "BLYND"Well this is annoying �" I was going to buy Mariokart- (I always buy the very best games �"to support the industry) - Think I’ll give it a miss now..

You should still buy it. You should just wait to see if anyone else gets it first and it screws them over. And if it does, just wait till a new version of firmware comes out. That's what I'm planning on doing (you'll have to purchase the game to play it online either way)

cory1492 · October 24, 2005, 08:48:34 AM

Trust me when I say this, Nintendo isnt bricking things intentioanally (beta or otherwise). FlashMe has code in the bios that probably gets overwritten with the new wifi network settings, written to a place that in standard firmware is blank or preallocated for such things, but was used to put the flashme code instead... Olimar(Loopy) has already stated that if someone who has the cart can give him a dump of the firmware before and after it writes settings, there would be no problems in fixing flashme to not have code stored in the overwritten locations... so its just a matter of time and someone who can dump it for him.

I see on the flashme page some new firmware today with updates for the previously not working new firmwares that are on some of the newest DS's, as well as some new passme solutions for those firmwares at Natrium42's site

- seems as soon as he has the necissary info he gets a-cracking and adds compatibility

BLYND · October 24, 2005, 08:57:50 AM

Quote from: "cory1492"

I see on the flashme page ....

What is the url of the flashme page..

antony5124 · October 24, 2005, 10:25:42 AM

Quote from: "BLYND"
Quote from: "cory1492"

I see on the flashme page ....

What is the url of the flashme page..

http://ds.gcdev.com/dsfirmware/

SigmaX6 · October 24, 2005, 02:34:33 PM

unfortuantly we cant have our a pie and eat it to, ninterndo doesnt really have any reson to upgrade there firmware, just like psp, but they do it to try to stop piracy claiming they update stuff stop stuff from crashing yadda yadda, But honestly who here has had there nintendo dc crash at the browser screen? or there psp crash when they turn it on, i know i havnt. They(nintendo/psp) know this to well. lol

NT · October 24, 2005, 02:41:29 PM

Quote from: "SigmaX6"unfortuantly we cant have our a pie and eat it to, ninterndo doesnt really have any reson to upgrade there firmware, just like psp, but they do it to try to stop piracy claiming they update stuff stop stuff from crashing yadda yadda, But honestly who here has had there nintendo dc crash at the browser screen? or there psp crash when they turn it on, i know i havnt. They(nintendo/psp) know this to well. lol

Sony's "reason" for firmware updates is not anything to do with programs crashing, but new features like the web browser and such. I bet they already have all those features coded and tested in their secret lab, but they only release them once their current firmrware gets hacked. It's like "oh, there's a new buffer overflow that allows homebrew code to be used, here's an AIM client!".