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[Hi]

You are. But didn't you first try to get the rom online?

So, yes, it doesn't directly have to do with piracy, but you tried to pirate the game first before doing it illigally.

You are allowed to own one copy of a game you bought, but you have to copy the game yourself. If you download it, it's illigal, period.

So, you tried doing it illigally first, and are now trying to do it legally. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. As long as it was a normal download (I try to use peer-to-peer as little as possible) I probably would have done the same thing. But you can see how piracy is involved, and therefor chrism (I know it's not spelled right, it's spelling is complicated) wouln't want anything to do with it.

[kkan]

I thought I was allowed one backup of a game I owned?

this is a false thought .. The real LAWS STATE that if you need another copy of just about anything that is copywrite then you MUST BUY ANOTHER COPY odd how it sounds but .. true  :shock:  

Its a common misconception that if you buy something it gives you automatic rights to copy or back it up when it REALLY DOES NOT!

unless it states in black and white in the instructions or fine print to do so

But......... however its still pretty much a grey area in the law, and there is an exception to the above rules.... thats called/judged as FAIR USE and I doubt that the LAWS and POWERS THAT BE! will hunt you down with a shotgun and a lawsuit for what you do in your own time in your own property with your own technology

How do I know this !?

I've been a USER/ MOD / SUPERMOD and now ADMIN on a CDR/DVDR burning forum for the last almost 5 - 6 years and we have learnt most of the copy/backup laws and how they work for the guides we provide and give disclaimers where needed etc

and yes ... I do use a lot of emotes in my posts

[felix]

It depends on where you live.

[Hi]

The real LAWS STATE that if you need another copy of just about anything that is copyright then you MUST BUY ANOTHER COPY odd how it sounds but .. true  :shock:  

So, now I can go tell all my friends, who take the songs from CD's that they own and then put the songs those on their Ipods that they are doing something illegal! :p I'll tell them that if they want to obey the law they'll have to buy the CD again from Itunes.

Seriously? So, it's illegal to take a song from a cd that you own and put it on your Ipod? That means that ATLEAST 85%, probably more, of everyone in the USA have broken copyright laws. And Mac encourages it by putting the feature to transfer songs from a CD onto an Ipod into Itunes.

Common! Does that really make sense? Could I please have a sorce. I find it very hard to believe that 85%, probably more like 90%, in fact maybe even 95%, or more, of the people in the USA break copyright laws all the time. And it means that macontosh encoureges it, yes, that's the same company that makes a big deal about piracy. No. No! It doesn't make sense.

[kkan]

The real LAWS STATE that if you need another copy of just about anything that is copyright then you MUST BUY ANOTHER COPY odd how it sounds but .. true  :shock:  

So, now I can go tell all my friends, who take the songs from CD's that they own and then put the songs those on their Ipods that they are doing something illegal! :p I'll tell them that if they want to obey the law they'll have to buy the CD again from Itunes.

Seriously? So, it's illegal to take a song from a cd that you own and put it on your Ipod? That means that ATLEAST 85%, probably more, of everyone in the USA have broken copyright laws. And Mac encourages it by putting the feature to transfer songs from a CD onto an Ipod into Itunes.

Common! Does that really make sense? Could I please have a sorce. I find it very hard to believe that 85%, probably more like 90%, in fact maybe even 95%, or more, of the people in the USA break copyright laws all the time. And it means that macontosh encoureges it, yes, that's the same company that makes a big deal about piracy. No. No! It doesn't make sense.

why do you think that ALL RETAIL cds/dvds have that copywrite logo/trademark etc on them ?? its not just to fill in that blank spot on the cover  :p

again to quote my own post

But......... however its still pretty much a grey area in the law, and there is an exception to the above rules.... thats called/judged as FAIR USE and I doubt that the LAWS and POWERS THAT BE! will hunt you down with a shotgun and a lawsuit for what you do in your own time in your own property with your own technology  

and what the eye does not see

by the way APPLE HEAD Steve Jobs has bowed down to the masses and no doubt pressure from millions of users ... is now calling for MAJOR record companys to agree in a new idea of selling music minus the protection so they can be played on ANY player with no restrictions of only on I-POD  

from the net  :-

April 2, 2007: The day DRM died.

The surprise press conference in London today with today EMI CEO Eric Nicoli and Apple CEO Steve Jobs just started a few minutes ago (1 pm London time). As expected, the two companies are offering the availability of EMI’s digital catalog ....


EMI will offer all songs from its digital catalog without DRM. Testing earlier this year suggested people prefer non-DRM to DRM tracks 10:1. iTunes is first partner.

These songs will no longer be tied to iTunes and the iPod - any device that plays AAC format will play these songs.

Songs will be encoded at 256kbps AAC (current is 128kbps) and sold at $1.29 per song, $0.30 more per song than the current price. These will be offered along side the existing lower quality, DRM tracks, and consumers can choose.

Entire album purchases will stay at the same price, but have the higher audio quality and will be DRM free.

EMI music videos will be available DRM free with no change in price.

Customers who purchased tracks previously can upgrade to DRM free tracks for $0.30 per track.

Jobs says they are trying to do similar deals with other labels, and expects that 50% of all of their tracks sold will be DRM free by end of year.

Steve Jobs says that they are offering people nothing more than what they get when they buy a cd directly and rip it.

official press release here

sorry everyone for off topicness

[dantheman]

I was under the impression that a single backup was allowed if, and only if:
1.  The backup is made yourself, using your own originally purchased hardware
2.  The backup is used solely as a backup, sitting in archive in case the original hardware breaks.

So in that sense, even if you dump it yourself, if you put it on your Supercard and play it while the original media still functions, it's illegal.

I'm not a lawyer, and kkan would probably know more about it than I do, but I thought I'd offer the idea regardless.

[kkan]

So in that sense, even if you dump it yourself, if you put it on your Supercard and play it while the original media still functions, it's illegal.

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YES thats correct ironic how it is but thats really how it is ... well how its supposed to be

It's also you will be pleased to know ...illegal to have your home hifi system playing loud enough that your neighbours can hear it .. they could infact make a complaint and take it to court etc and it would go under the law of PUBLIC BROADCAST ...which again ironically is yet another breach of copyright law as you don't have a public /radio BROADCAST LICENCE and this is also the case for personal mp3 players etc when you are out in the street or on a bus etc .. if others can hear it then you are RE BROADCASTING without a licence of copyright material and again if you record a tv/radio show and take it round to your mates and watch it there yet again RE BROADCASTING


Lucky that the world does not know that eh !? or we would all be taking  each other to court every day lol

we live in a crazy copyright law gone nuts world ... personally whatever anyone does is their own business ... I just happen to know a little more information about it all lol

[elprawn]

You are. But didn't you first try to get the rom online?

No. I have an originally owned copy and tried an online ROM when I realised I couldn't dump the cart myself. I only wanted a backup to see if the save file I made with rein was OK, as I didn't want to risk copying it back to the cart  if it wasn't.

[Hi]

It's also you will be pleased to know ...illegal to have your home hifi system playing loud enough that your neighbours can hear it .. they could infact make a complaint and take it to court etc and it would go under the law of PUBLIC BROADCAST ...which again ironically is yet another breach of copyright law as you don't have a public /radio BROADCAST LICENCE and this is also the case for personal mp3 players etc when you are out in the street or on a bus etc .. if others can hear it then you are RE BROADCASTING without a licence of copyright material and again if you record a tv/radio show and take it round to your mates and watch it there yet again RE BROADCASTING


Lucky that the world does not know that eh !? or we would all be taking  each other to court every day lol

we live in a crazy copyright law gone nuts world ... personally whatever anyone does is their own business ... I just happen to know a little more information about it all lol

Yeah, I guess. I mean, I'm not sure if it's true or not, but a friend of mine once told me that in one state it's illigal for single women to go sky diving on sunday. (This is not ment to be an offensive comment, please don't take it the wrong way!) But of course, that law isn't enforced. The whole law system is just plain mixed up, period!

[elprawn]

If Nintendo don't want this sort of "piracy", then they should release a tool for backing-up game saves.

[dantheman]

Wouldn't that foster piracy rather than detaining it?  I don't really follow your line of reasoning here.

[elprawn]

Well they're basically forcing people to turn to illegal ROMs to test their backup saves rather than releasing an official save dumper which is guaranteed to work without testing the dumped save. In all other sectors of the computing industry backups are commonplace and utilities for safeguarding precious data are of emphasised importance. Why is the console industry so slow to catch on?

[dantheman]

I understand what you're saying, but you have to realize that many DS owners are going to be too young to really care about backing up their save files, especially when the cartridges only lose their save data as rarely as they do.  There have always been devices like that (there were some for the GBA, Action Replay Duo for the DS, etc), but you're right in that an official one hasn't been released as far as I know.

I wouldn't say they're forcing us to use pirated copies to test the save files though, but I can't think of a good argument as to why the logic is flawed, so I'm not going to try to argue the point.

[Hi]

I also really think it's not fair that dumping the game yourself is illigal. I mean, okay, I admit it, I'd probably pirate a lot of games anyway, but since I started pirating nds games I've REALLY enjoyed the fact that I could keep all my nds games on one cart. It's nice not having to use seven diffren't game cards that are really easy to loose. But inorder to enjoy this pleasure, one has to break the law. Not fair! (sigh)

Nintendo could do a lot of things. For example, if they supported homebrew, that would reduce the amount of piracy. When I first bought my supercard, I told myself I was only going to use it for homebrew. Than I decieded to pirate one game to make up for the money I'd spent on the supercard. But I didn't like that game, so I decieded to pirate another. And another...

If nintendo supported homebrew, I wouln't be a pirate right now. Then again, you can't really blame nintendo. I mean, what video game company has ever supported homebrew? It would be a big step, a good step but a big step, with risky consequences.

[m2pt5]

I mean, what video game company has ever supported homebrew?

Sony did at one point.