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Supercard DS (One) first impressions

Started by bitblt, December 21, 2006, 07:42:53 AM

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Lick


Sektor

Quote from: "bitblt"If your DS is NOT flashed then it will boot directly to the SCDS menu. You don’t even need to respond to the Nintendo health warning. That is a nice feature. (In contrast DS-X requires you to answer the health warning screen and then select the DS-X icon before it will boot.)
Actually DS-X doesn't require that, it depends on whether your DS is set to auto mode or manual mode.  You can change it by going to settings and clicking the icon that has an arrow pointing to a rectangle.

Does the SCDS boot automatically even if your DS boot setting is on manual?

moviecouple

2.58 Patching Software seems to be much better. A lot of the games that wouldn't work before, now seems to work perfectly. New it would be just a matter of time before the Supercard team started fixing errors that they have received from feedback.

Since the clean rom dumping seems (to me) a pain and a bit problematic... I am just running everyhting through the patcher. Only takes an extra few seconds to do and now I don't have to fumble with the Saver Size anymore. Maybe I'll go back to clean roms when the team works on that a little more.

moviecouple

Bitblt,

I hope you are gonna still explain the whole sm-mk4ds/Lovelite workaround to us.

I am hoping that it lets us switch between Slot 1 and Slot 2 without doing a power down.

smk4ds doesn't seem to work the same way it does with the DSLink. I can run it through Slot 2, but then it doesn't (at that point) want to load the Slot 1 at all. I am also hoping here that there will be or is a way, for SCLite users, (other than unpatcher since it is untested) to boot direclty into Slot 1 without holding Select.

sWampy

Someone needs to come up with a clrmame dat file with the roms with their trimmed size/checksums.  And if the scsd os doesn't get the ability to ignore the first 5 or so chars when sorting, have the trimmed roms with the numbers at the end.

bitblt

Sorry guys. I've been away from my computer for the last two days.
Quote from: "moviecouple"No one has yet to try the Unpatcher with the Micro Supercard Lite? That is surprising.
I will have to try it with my new SCLite sometime soon.
Quote from: "ZAFDeltaForce"Can the SCDS be used as a passkey to boot slot 2 flashcarts like the SCLite?
Yes. LoveLite, cartreset, and a few others programs can be used, as well as some pass-device dumps (ie. MK4, MaxMedia lanucher, etc.) can be used, that will allow booting slot 2 from the SCDS menu.

In fact I have been able to use SCDS to boot DSLink on a non-flashed DS. After booting to the SCDS menu I can start the MK4 dump program, then swap SCDS with DSLink and press the A button twice to boot DSLink. Not very practical but it works.
Quote from: "sWampy"I was hoping the first thing the new bios would do was check for a scds and boot it if it was present, but doesn't seem to do that.   I'd love to be able to leave one of my rumbles in to act as a rumble pack, but there doesn't seem to be an unpatcher for them, so you have to hold down the select button every time you boot.
Yes, you will have to hold the SELECT button if your DS is flashed. It's a flashme thing not a SCDS thing.

Note: I have been experimenting with a DSLink firmware dumper utility. I have successfully dumped a factory fresh DSLite firmware. This utility should also allow me to restore DS Lite firmware back to original factory firmware.  I'm still experimenting and will post results when I have an opportunity.
Quote from: "Lick"Hey bitblt, could you try out this SuperCard DS FAT driver for me (and all other homebrew developers)?
http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?p=113265#113265 (The first download link contains a test.nds)
Hi Lick. Yes, the Supercard DS FAT driver appears to work great.  Thanks for posting the link to your gbadev discussion.  I think Chrism's idea is a brilliant solution for the homebrew FAT issue. It's a great way for hombrew to support multiple flash cards without needing to be recompiled. The only problem I see with Chrism's idea is that it doesn't support using multiple FAT drivers at the same time.  It would be nice to be able to browse both slot 1 and slot 2 file systems at the same time, and I know for a fact it's possible.
Quote from: "Sektor"
Quote from: "bitblt"If your DS is NOT flashed then it will boot directly to the SCDS menu. You don’t even need to respond to the Nintendo health warning. That is a nice feature. (In contrast DS-X requires you to answer the health warning screen and then select the DS-X icon before it will boot.)
Actually DS-X doesn't require that, it depends on whether your DS is set to auto mode or manual mode.  You can change it by going to settings and clicking the icon that has an arrow pointing to a rectangle.
True, but the problem with that DS-X feature is that it loads the last game ROM automaticly (at least for me). I would prefer if the DS-X would simply boot directly to the OS menu by default. I know button combinations can be used to boot the menu but I tend to forget to use them, requireing me to power cycle the DS again. With DS-X I also miss the soft reset feature supported by SCDS and DSLink. Don't get me wrong, I like DS-X because of it's excellent homebrew support (and LEDs). I look forward to using the USB debugger when/if it is released.
Quote from: "Sektor"
Does the SCDS boot automatically even if your DS boot setting is on manual?
I have not tried that. I'll try it when I get home this evening.
Quote from: "moviecouple"I hope you are gonna still explain the whole sm-mk4ds/Lovelite workaround to us.

I am hoping that it lets us switch between Slot 1 and Slot 2 without doing a power down.

smk4ds doesn't seem to work the same way it does with the DSLink. I can run it through Slot 2, but then it doesn't (at that point) want to load the Slot 1 at all. I am also hoping here that there will be or is a way, for SCLite users, (other than unpatcher since it is untested) to boot direclty into Slot 1 without holding Select.
If your DS is flashed you must hold SELECT to boot the SCDS menu. It's a flashme thing not a SCDS thing.

The MK4 dump will work as long as you boot the SCDS first during power up. Once the SCDS has been booted the MK4 dump can be used to switch back and forth between the SCDS menu and the SC Lite menu. Otherwise MK4 works the same as with DSLink.  The cool thing about using the MK4 dump with SCDS is that it can be used multiple times without having to power cycle. With DSLink the MK4 dump only works once before requiring a power cycle.

sWampy

Quote from: "bitblt"
Quote from: "sWampy"I was hoping the first thing the new bios would do was check for a scds and boot it if it was present, but doesn't seem to do that.   I'd love to be able to leave one of my rumbles in to act as a rumble pack, but there doesn't seem to be an unpatcher for them, so you have to hold down the select button every time you boot.
Yes, you will have to hold the SELECT button if your DS is flashed. It's a flashme thing not a SCDS thing.

I'm glad you dumped the original firmware, but that can't be right about it being a flashme thing, older supercard bios didn't auto boot into the supercard menu on a flashed ds.   What really needs to happen, is the supercard in slot 2 needs to look and see if a scds is in slot one and if so boot that, otherwise boot itself.   And the scds os needs to then check for roms on the slot2 card and list them along with the roms on the scsd.

if "PASS" or "DSBooter" identifiers are found, flashme jumps to original firmware so the scds would boot.   I would guess that is what the unpatcher does.

bitblt

Quote from: "sWampy"
Quote from: "bitblt"
Quote from: "sWampy"I was hoping the first thing the new bios would do was check for a scds and boot it if it was present, but doesn't seem to do that.   I'd love to be able to leave one of my rumbles in to act as a rumble pack, but there doesn't seem to be an unpatcher for them, so you have to hold down the select button every time you boot.
Yes, you will have to hold the SELECT button if your DS is flashed. It's a flashme thing not a SCDS thing.
I'm glad you dumped the original firmware, but that can't be right about it being a flashme thing, older supercard bios didn't auto boot into the supercard menu on a flashed ds.   What really needs to happen, is the supercard in slot 2 needs to look and see if a scds is in slot one and if so boot that, otherwise boot itself.   And the scds os needs to then check for roms on the slot2 card and list them along with the roms on the scsd.

if "PASS" or "DSBooter" identifiers are found, flashme
jumps to original firmware so the scds would boot.   I would guess that is what the unpatcher does.
I don't think your explanation is exactly correct.

Yes, the Supercard firmware unpatcher does replace "PASS" with "    " in the supercard firmware. Cory1492 explains this in his source code comments.

However, flashme does not look at the Supercard firmware for "PASS", rather flashme checks for "PASS" present in the GBA boot area. This is the same for any slot 2 device, not just Supercard.

If flashme is not installed then the DS will always boot the SCDS. This is why I say it's a flashme thing. It is flashme that looks for "PASS" in the GBA boot area. When SELECT is held flashme bypasses this check and boots normally.

ZAFDeltaForce

Any difference between FAT32 and FAT16 on the SCDS?

bitblt

Quote from: "ZAFDeltaForce"Any difference between FAT32 and FAT16 on the SCDS?
With SCDS I didn't notice any performance difference between using FAT32 and FAT16. I tested with a Kingston 512MB and a Sandisk 2GB.

(Note with DSLink using FAT16 is faster.)

moviecouple

Welll, with the MK4 dump... I can boot into the SCDS first and then use it to boot into Slot 2... then I can go into Slot 1 again with it... but after that... I cannot go back into Slot 2. So I think you can only do it so many times.

If you can... I would be interested to see if the Unpacher works with the SCLite.

onneeye

This is wierd?

I don't think the DS One likes Flashme. I'm been having problems playing the games on a flash DS Lite. Most of them Don't work or hang. Tried on my old DS Phat that was unflashed and the games runs fine. NO problems at all.


Any suggestion on why it would work on my old unit and not on my flashed dslite?

ZAFDeltaForce

Can the SCDS connect to the Nintendo WiFi Connection and play online?

zektor

I will be testing the unpatcher on the SCLite when I get one (very soon) and let you guys know.
Nintendo DSi
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zektor

Quote from: "onneeye"This is wierd?

I don't think the DS One likes Flashme. I'm been having problems playing the games on a flash DS Lite. Most of them Don't work or hang. Tried on my old DS Phat that was unflashed and the games runs fine. NO problems at all.


Any suggestion on why it would work on my old unit and not on my flashed dslite?

I was kind of worried about this when I saw that the Superkey locks up the booting on a flashme'd DS. The passcard3 does not do this. I would assume that the SC DS is using the same passme code as the Superkey (same manufacturer) and if so, may definitely cause a problem on the flashed DS units. Do NOT quote me on this however. I do not own a SC DS, and this is merely pure speculation. Many people have said that it works fine on a flashed DS, so who knows...
Nintendo DSi
Nintendo Wii - cIOS38 Revision 12 (and more)
Madden PSP Slim v5.00 M33-6