Supercard DS One... not yet ready? Another opinion

moviecouple · December 23, 2006, 08:53:27 PM

Well... I have been playing around with the SCDS One for about a day and a half. I can honestly say that I am not that impressed with it all that much so far... atleast not as much as I was when I tried the DSLink.

A lot of the games that I tried on the SCDS One don't work at all, work with glitches or didn't work until I loaded the latest NDSInfo.dat. Even a new game "0782" Hiite Utaeru DS Guitar M-06 doesn't work or I cannot figure out how to get it to work. Since you needed the latest NDSInfo.dat to get some of the games to work... it leaves me to conclusion that you still need a company to update their stuff in order to get games to work.

Even in Super Mode... I cannot get a lot of games to work.

Now... what we all wanted in a Slot 1 device is true Drag & Drop of clean ROMS to work... that way no patching software is needed. But, with the SCDS One (with clean roms) you still needed to have the NDSInfo.dat updated to get things to work. There is no difference (in my opinion) between the team updating the .dat file or coming out with updated patching software (like for Slot 2 devices)... it still needs the company to do some sort of update. Who cares if it is needed for Slot 1 or Slot 2... it still needs someone to do something to get games to work. It is out of our hands until that update is done.

With the DSLink... I got a Slot 1 Device (even though it needs patching software) and it seems to work with most games I throw at it.

I think that maybe it is just a bit of time that is needed for the Supercard team to get the SCDS One to work better. Maybe they rushed it a bit to get it in our hands before Christmas. I personally think that the DSLink is a bit more polished than the SCDS One... so far.

Overall... I still think Slot 2 devices are better. Maybe in the future things will be different.

SynGamer · December 23, 2006, 09:11:40 PM

The main reason i bought the SC DS was because i can use my SCSD as extra memory and finally use the Opera Browser...along with games and mp3's.

dOoBiX · December 23, 2006, 09:22:29 PM

Are you sure you set the correct save type for the games that didn't work?

WegeHop · December 23, 2006, 09:24:37 PM

Quote from: "SynGamer"The main reason i bought the SC DS was because i can use my SCSD as extra memory and finally use the Opera Browser.

Same here, but the clean rom idea looked interesting too.

SynGamer · December 23, 2006, 09:33:57 PM

Quote from: "WegeHop"
Quote from: "SynGamer"The main reason i bought the SC DS was because i can use my SCSD as extra memory and finally use the Opera Browser.

Same here, but the clean rom idea looked interesting too.

The only 2 problems i see right now is that first, not all games are working, and second, the SCDS won't save settings for individual games (to my knowledge)...but these can both be fixed with firmware updates

moviecouple · December 23, 2006, 09:33:59 PM

I have tried every way that I can think of. Has anyone got Eragon to work? That is one that I cannot get to work no matter what. Plus the Opera Browser works, but with glitches. Which means... it needs an update to get it to work correctly somewhere somehow. The DSLink works with it with no problems and it is a Slot 1 device.

Maybe we are hoping for too much with the Drag and Drop portion. If the whole Drag And Drop doesn't work with EVERY game now and in the future... then what good is it. We will then have to rely on patching software or updates in one form or another. Atleast Slot 2 devices a tried and true.

PharaohsVizier · December 23, 2006, 09:43:05 PM

From what I'm hearing, and what I can see, it seems that EZ Flash V is doing quite well compared with SCDS.

SynGamer · December 23, 2006, 10:02:15 PM

Didn't the DSLink come out a while ago, at least compared to the SC DS?

moviecouple · December 23, 2006, 10:13:47 PM

Yes... a few months back. And although it needs to use Patching Software, I think it work betters than the SCDS One... so far.

Eragon didn't work on the DSLink at first, until they updated the patching software. Now the SCDS One doesn't work with it either, that is until we get some sort of update. Either way it is the same thing to me. We have to wait until the teams do something.

bitblt · December 24, 2006, 12:40:51 AM

The thing I don't like about the whole clean ROMs idea is the need to trim them anyway to conserve space. This means that I'm probably going to be using the "super mode" patcher to avoid the hassle of having to use trim.exe manually. I agree, It doesn't seem to matter what slot solution you choose there will always be a patch or firmware update to wait for.

zektor · December 24, 2006, 12:56:46 AM

Ok, the DS-Xtreme is a true drag and drop, clean rom device. BUT, I did read that Animal Crossing had some kind of issue with the latest firmware. So, firmware even there has to be updated to fix games....even if running clean. I think that there is no real way NOT to rely on a company for future updates. Just have to make sure to choose a device that is made by a reputable company that *will* provide constant updates. Even if they do not, I'm sure many future games will still function with these devices, but of course the compatibility percentage will gradually decrease. So, rule of thumb is to go with a manufacturer that seems the most reputable. SC team is certainly this type, and the DS-Link team seem to be supporting their device constantly at this point too.

moviecouple · December 24, 2006, 01:22:59 AM

QuoteIt doesn't seem to matter what slot solution you choose there will always be a patch or firmware update to wait for.

My sentiments exactly.

QuoteSo, rule of thumb is to go with a manufacturer that seems the most reputable. SC team is certainly this type, and the DS-Link team seem to be supporting their device constantly at this point too.

The SC team has been the foremost group on the scene and I still will support them till the end. I hope the DSLink team follows suit and takes a page from them.

PharaohsVizier · December 24, 2006, 01:31:16 AM

I always thought that the clean rom idea was just stupid. Who was that lazy, not to patch the rom. It only takes like 3 seconds, and it isn't even hard with the Supercard patcher.

I would understand if you hated patching if you had some older GBA flashcarts. The patcher for my old XG Turbo Flash 2 still gives me nightmares, my god it was annoying. Then the older EZ Flash 3 patchers weren't so good either, I can understand if you were a little lazy. But at this point, the Supercard patcher is so easy, just click a button, wait for about 10 seconds and your done.

Clean ROM support is just going to bring more problems. IMO it is for lazy people, and it will cause more trouble than it will solve.

moviecouple · December 24, 2006, 01:55:26 AM

I think it is supposed to be designed as a future proof method. In case a company goes under or no longer supports the device. In theory... that way you can still enjoy it without their support.

But, in reality... it is no different (so far) than the patching software. Slot 1 Drag And Drop still needs to be supported with some sort of update.

One a side note. Has anyone tried (or ran tests) using the Super Mode Patching Software? I have and it isn't nearly as good as the Slot 2 cards such as the SD/MiniSD or Lite. Half the stuff I run through it doesn't work at all. Atleast in Super Mode... you would think since you are using patching software that it would work as good as the other cards/software.

I'll hold out for hope... that the SC team will work on their new card and make it better here in the future. But for now, I am tired of trying to make each game I throw at it work in one way or another.

I am sticking with my DSLink for now for Slot 1... along with me SCLite for Slot 2. They work well together.

bitblt · December 24, 2006, 03:37:44 AM

Quote from: "moviecouple"I am sticking with my DSLink for now for Slot 1... along with me SCLite for Slot 2. They work well together.

Don't get me wrong I still like my DSLink. I've been waiving the DSLink flag since its debut. However there are a few reason why I'm starting to like my SCDS a little better than DSLink or DS-X . . .

1) SCDS does not require flashme.
2) Opera can be used with SCDS.
3) SCDS can be can be used with a slot 2 Supercard, like DSLink.
4) The SCDS Moonshell interface has more potential than DSLink
5) The SCDS has more options than DSLink. (good and bad)
6) Romman has released official SCDS FAT source code. DSLink has un-official FAT source code available.
7) I can use Lovelite.nds and sm-mk4ds to switch back and forth between between the DSLite menu and the SCDS menu as many times as I want without a power cycle. With DSLink I can only switch one time before needing to power cycle.
8 ) SCDS is made by Romman and the Supercard team.

Because I use SCDS together with my DSLite (or SCCF) I have 100% homebrew and ROM compatibility.