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[Rob_Threat]

a tin foil spike wrapped with scotch tape *around* the tip.

I should have thought of that since so many people love the toothpick. Great idea Jconds, even easier than a bit o' coat hanger.

[darkuni]

I disagree.  You've just gotten lucky.

While it may HELP, it is PERFECTLY possible for you to shift it's position and STILL short one of the pads to the right or left.

The only real solution is being extremely careful and educate yourself on the dangers before flashing.

[Rob_Threat]

While it may HELP, it is PERFECTLY possible for you to shift it's position and STILL short one of the pads to the right or left.

If you make your tool properly, it isn't possible to short another point. There simply isn't room for side to side movement that would allow contact to anything other than SL1.

[darkuni]

Hmmm... I'll have to experiment with this... I'm curious.

Do you have pics of your tool?

[bitblt]

While it may HELP, it is PERFECTLY possible for you to shift it's position and STILL short one of the pads to the right or left.

If you make your tool properly, it isn't possible to short another point. There simply isn't room for side to side movement that would allow contact to anything other than SL1.

No offence Darkuni but I think you are taking this thread (and your related thread) in the wrong direction.  This is not a debate about what particular flashing technique is best, or who is right or wrong about the NDSL shut-off problem.  This thread is about warning people about a potential problem that could save them time and money.

(Darkuni's related thread)
DS Lite Flashing Power-Off Danger Demystified?
http://scdev.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4598&highlight=

Darkuni has suggested that it is unlikely Nintendo would go to the trouble of changing the NDSL to prevent people from using flash card devices. I agree somewhat.  However, why would Nintendo bother implementing RSA encryption in the first place? Nintendo is probably concerned about sales of counterfeit DS game ROMs and potential profit loss.  The only thing preventing the general public from using counterfeit DS game ROMs is RSA encryption, something FlashMe circumvents.

Daveychan is one of the first people to flash an NDSL when they first hit stores in Japan.  He has flashed twelve NDSLs total.  I think this classifies him as being experienced in NDSL flashing. I don’t believe Daveychan is just confused.  Daveychan has stated, “I used the ‘scientific method’ and repeated the situation numerous times on four different units of different release dates”.  Daveychan has also presented evidence that the “shut-off” feature seems to be implemented in the NDSL firmware because it will not “shut-off” after it’s been flashed.

I’m not trying to invoke fear in people by warning them of this potential “shut-off” problem. In fact the “shut off” problem is probably somewhat isolated.  I have personally flashed a total of four US NDSLs without any type of problem. Even if I had “bricked” one of my NDSLs I could have performed the BIOS swap procedure to recover.  Unlike the “phat” DS the NDSL is relatively easy to recover. (no soldering required)

I do believe most people have “bricked” their NDSL because they bumped something close to SL1 while trying to flash it. However there are several cases of experienced people having “bricked” their NDSL in apparent mystery.  I’m going to continue to suggest that people test for the “shut-off” problem before they begin the flashme process. Why take chances? It’s a good idea to practice flashing before you begin anyway.

[darkuni]

Oh, I didn't mean to imply it wasn't a good idea to test it!

By all means, everyone should "practice" the mechanical portion of the flashing procedure WITHOUT flashing for real (I believe even in my tutorial I mention that).

My point with my previous post(s) where it probably implies I'm calling everyone a liar is that I FINALLY managed to recreate a similar experience and wanted to share what I thought was the solution.

We can't have TOO MUCH information about this stuff.  The more experiences the better.

My apologies if anyone took my posts as something derogatory.

[Thundrestrike]

Here goes:
1)  If you don't have the AC adapter plugged in, the unit will immediately power down when you bridge the SL1!  It doesn't seem to matter what charge percentage the battery is at, if you aren't plugged in, you are going to get black screens when you touch that SL1!  PLUG IN YOUR UNIT!  Simple, easy, and safe!

liaaar liar pants on fiar

Ok, sorry about that, but i had to say it

But I flashed my friends unit, and he didnt have it plugged in, and it works, too.

I don't know why everyone has to be so safe, all he did was shove a rolled up piece of aluminum foil right down the SL1 hole and left it there, went to the bathroom, flushed, and at 100% he took out that shoved piece of aluminum foil. No lies. I even got mad at him for being so careless with his new DS Lite. He responded with

"Hey, at least it works"

[trivoldus]

Hey! Finally got myself a NDSL!  I just couldn't wait to play with it so I took out my Supercard along with Superpass 2 to try flash it.  and guess what, I flashed it in like 1 minute the day I got my Lite from Walmart .
Anyywayyy, I'm kinda confused because my experience flashing the DS Lite is so different from what I heard.  
1. My NDSL did *not* power off when I poked around with that stupid screw with, uhh, a copper wire ( the tool I used to flash all DSes that I got my hand on ).  I wonder if I have to connect the SL1 to the evil screw in order to power the DS off.
2. Again, it did not even power off when I tried to connect the SL1 several time.  But that is done with a copper wire I cut out from an old broken fan I got from my father's closet ).

I did not, however, try to do the aboves without the AC pluggin though.  Hmm, should've done it, but did not....

So..., what do all of this mean?  It's either I got extremely lucky and got myself a "First Generation NDSL" or I suspect that someone is dedicately trying to falsely inject fear to others so that they would buy the "no-pass" devices (and thus helped those flash cards manufacturers' revenues).  Oh well, said it, and good day gentlemen.

[bitblt]

So..., what do all of this mean?  It's either I got extremely lucky and got myself a "First Generation NDSL" or I suspect that someone is dedicately trying to falsely inject fear to others so that they would buy the "no-pass" devices (and thus helped those flash cards manufacturers' revenues).  Oh well, said it, and good day gentlemen.

I'm glad you didn't have any problems.  No, you didn't get lucky.  Your experience with flashing NDSL is typical.  I have personally flashed a total of four US NDSLs without any type of problem.  We are only suggesting people test for the shut off problem before begin flashing.  Why take chances?

[trivoldus]

Yea, but still... For example my friend, after he read those posts in the beginning, he got scared and determined not to flash it.  Instead, he decided to get a no-pass device even without testing for shut-down problem.  Yea... it's just sad like that.

[dippyx]

Well, I've flashed 4 DSL's so far.

Two black and Two white.  One without AC power plugged in and having to short SL1 numerous times.  No problems here  

D

[PharaohsVizier]

Well I just flashed a couple then returned em, then got a new one and flashed it again.  I got to say, I was freaked out, but it was easy, used a toothpick with tinfoil.  Even moved it around and shorted and lifted it out and reput it back (seeing as how I was returning it anyways).  Nothing went wrong, I can honestly say it is damn hard to get a toothpick wedged into that other screw...

[zektor]

Flashed about a dozen already..all using the toothpick method. I always leave the DS plugged in when flashing, so that is a non-issue (and is good practice IMHO). Be sure to hold the battery in place as well of course. I had lost connection a few times on a few flashes. No turning off, just re-established connection and it kept going...just like the DS original. I would imagine from all of the talk that being careful not to hit the other leads is quite important, but this is not a difficult task. It was just an easy to flash as the original. Perhaps Nintendo will indeed make it more difficult for people in the near future...

[Daveychan]

Hiya....  just flashed two more blue NDSLs over the weekend, and I did all my tests again with EXACTLY the same results as my original post.  I'm now fairly convinced that the immediate power-off when shorting is occuring for BRAND NEW units that have just been taken out of the box.  (Maybe it's possible that those who reported the "no power-off" have completely charged up units?)  

However, all of that being said, it is still certainly possible that because my experiences are all from using Japan units, there may be some slight differences between the wave versions in the States and UK.

Hope this is useful information and I'm very pleased that people are finding my original post helpful.  :razz:

[PharaohsVizier]

Ummm, the couple that I flashed (add another two) I flashed right out of the box, plugged it into the wall though.